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  Just because someone is gone doesn't mean they died. 


No, you're right, but I think that the church bell tolling is indicative of death. It's also not a happy toll, like wedding bells, which would be another way that she is "gone".


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  Just because someone is gone doesn't mean they died. 


No, you're right, but I think that the church bell tolling is indicative of death. It's also not a happy toll, like wedding bells, which would be another way that she is "gone".

Yes I have to agree that at the end of the song it does sound like a funeral
march, too creepy. Maybe since she went away, the guy might feel like its the death of him. 
who knows for whom the bell tolls.
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Hopefully it doesn't toll for thee.

I keep looking at the lyrics. The beginning does imply that "you" (aha! The bell tolls for "You" in "Without you"!!!) is alive. They are looking at the sunrise together. (Actually, she is looking at the sunrise, and he is looking into her eyes and seeing the reflection of the sunrise).

Together they are running away from her "dark world." "We must leave your dark world behind you." It has a Persephone quality to it, doesn't it--leaving a dark world behind.

But then--he wakes up! He's alone! Was he dreaming? He comes to night and realizes that it was "another day" without her...but night time may be different, because they can be together in his dreams.

So, does he off himself at the end of the song? Certainly one could take the death toll and consider that...but I'm hung up on the hopeful sounding end to the song.

LOL...Have I analyzed this song to death (ho ho ho) yet?



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He wrote something and then he goes to sleep and what he wrote could be the song itself "Without You"
and there will never be a day without "Without You". Music lasts forever people don't. I never thought of it that way until now.  Strange.
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He wrote something and then he goes to sleep and what he wrote could be the song itself "Without You" and there will never be a day without "Without You". Music lasts forever people don't. I never thought of it that way until now.  Strange.


Interesting! Very Shelley-esque. Quite the Ozymandius interpretation!


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He wrote something and then he goes to sleep and what he wrote could be the song itself "Without You" and there will never be a day without "Without You". Music lasts forever people don't. I never thought of it that way until now.  Strange.


Interesting! Very Shelley-esque. Quite the Ozymandius interpretation!


Asia could take this one song and create a rock opera. But the ending
would most likely be sad
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My interpretation of Without You has changed over the years. When I first heard it (as a teen) the lyrics suggested to me that the protagonist & his love were on the run. He "couldn't stand to stay without you" could mean that if they stayed put, someone was going to take her from him (protective parents? abusive partner?). So they try to get away but are being pursued - "must keep moving" - camping out (misty morning forest smoke fires, glowing embers' smoke) trying to stay off the beaten path and being pursued (the chilling bark of a dog tracking them at night?). Tired from the pursuit, he falls asleep, and when he awakes she's gone (caught by the pursuer?).

Revisiting the lyrics last year, now at a much different season of life, suggests another possibility. Perhaps an affair, where the lovers have slipped away to a mountain hideaway, but when the protag. wakes, the fireplace has dimmed and his lover is gone. Perhaps she's decided she has to return to her "dark world" (unhappy relationship, but feeling "bound" to return?).

In either case, he's wrestling with the agony of knowing his love is gone and they're not likely to ever get back together. Achingly sad, but I never got the impression that anyone died.

I hadn't looked for a link between the bells in Wildest Dreams & Without You. I just figured Carl liked putting his tubular bells to good use!   To me, the WD bell melody suggests church bells marking the noon or 6pm hour, perhaps ringing on schedule even though noone has survived the terrible events of the wildest dreams? In WY the bells match the somber mood of the protag, but I didn't picture a funeral or wedding. Interesting idea, though!

And yes, no surprise that different people arrive at different meanings to a song, book, etc.!

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I like your interpretation Brian. 
 When I first listened to Asia I was drumming and I was busy listening to the drum parts not the lyrics. But I did hear the bass drum near the end of WY and to me it sounded like a fast beating heart.  It was like it didn't fit there musically, yet it fit very well lyrically. 

 
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This morning I suddenly remembered that Johan had given me a clue to this song a long time ago.

And I realized that I had to say some awful words to my husband. "I think I'm wrong..."

Ouch.

Way back when, after I had seen Asia here in New Brunswick, I found this board. And I posted on the board how moved I was by the song, "Here comes the feeling." Johan mentioned that it was a good antidote to "Without You".

SO--if Here Comes the Feeling is the answer to Without You, then clearly the subject of the song has not died.

Leaving me feeling quite sheepish. So, I say to my friends here, "Sorry...I think I'm wrong."

I don't believe that all songs are necessarily interconnected, but I do remember Johan specifically pointing out a correlation between the two songs. My whole house of cards came tumbling down.

It's kind of fun to dissect these songs though, isn't it? And as others have pointed out, perspective of songs from where you are in life will often impact how you interpret the lyrics.


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And they lived.....(not cautiously but passionately). Live is a verb.


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Think of it like the last frame of 'The Bourne Ultimatum'. Until you hear otherwise,it's a happy ending.


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off topic,,,THANKS John for joining Myspace!!
unfortunately today my song choice reflects my mood


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off topic,,,THANKS John for joining Myspace!!
unfortunately today my song choice reflects my mood

I'm feeling much better now, so my song choice has changed.

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Phew! Glad to hear it.
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