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There is a debate going on at the above location, alot of people are saying they think the new CD starts off great with Never Again but then plods at one pace and that Steve Howe hardly features, just letting you know there is a large thread starting.

They are all agreeing the albums production is great but it just does not rock and is too slow.... you have to look past that to the quality of the songs IMO, I would rather have an album of well executed ballads than an album of sub par rockers saying that Never Again is my fave on the album and is pure quality as is Extroidinary Life and Heroine.
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Thanx for the heads-up. Some of those people over there need to get a clue. I couldn't believe some of the posts. I had to stop reading!






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I went there, and I read all of the posts. I can't for the LIFE of me figure out WHAT they are hearing! And it is odd to me that these people are down playing the CD, when they listen to LOVERBOY and RICK SPRINGFIELD??? I had to chuckle at these people ~ I don't think anyone is going to take what they as gospel! Thanks for sharing VFA.

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Hey, there's nothing wrong with Rick!

Now off to read what you guys are talking about...
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Hardly any Steve???   One of the first things that hit me was how much Steve is featured. wow....

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Hardly any Steve???   One of the first things that hit me was how much Steve is featured. wow....


Yeah, that one had me scratching my head too.

I do think the people saying Phoenix is more "mellow" overall compared to the debut have a point. But I LIKE that side of Asia, so I'm perfectly happy with it.
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I'd refer those people to Alpha's track nº4 chorus...



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Sometimes people forget that being appropriate is sometimes the best thing a musician can do in a song.

Alpha is a great example of a record some people say has no guitar.

Watch steve play, there is plenty of guitar, it's just appropriately placed and mixed to do the job it needs to do.
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There certainly is plenty of Steve on Alpha... not sure I agree about it being appropriately placed though - half the time it sounds like he was recorded playing in the studio toilet with a cloak over him!

Anyway that's by the by - on Phoenix, there's no doubt in my mind everyone has been given rightful place, front and centre, including Steve. It's that full-on sonic assault that is so unmistakably Asia. It's a superbly engineered album, in the vein of it's two Icon step-dads. Love it.
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I must say Phoenix to me is not ASIA as the 1st and 2nd album sound, the heavier sound on the first and the more pop sounding 2nd still retained the twiddly sometimes sounding out of place guitars, heavier and a less straight forward style of drumming, I feel only the bass/ keys are ASIA, the album is very ballady and apart from the first track, the rest is Icon/ u.k to me, it is a very different animal and an excellent album in a different ASIA vein. Great for the new direction

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Sometimes people forget that being appropriate is sometimes the best thing a musician can do in a song...

Right on, #1! I still remember my univ.prof's definition of music as an arrangement of sound and silence. Can't remember which famous musician once said that the notes a musician doesn't play are just as important as the ones they do play.

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Alpha's track #4 says "I’ll do what I want to anyway
I’ll do what I want and I’ll do it in
My own time... "

 

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It is a different sound, a more mature sound and there are lots of similarities citing Icon, which I think we would expect with the lion share of songs being John and Geoff's handy work. But I hear a lot of the individuals in respective parts and songs that invariably bring to mind 3, UK (some of Geoff's solos sounding very Drama era and Oberheim sounding), JW solo (especially some Caught in the Crossfire moments) and Steve sounding verrrry Yes-ish on several passages. It's all good and it meshes so well which is why these four guys have that chemistry that is unmatched.

I think the three albums mentioned are all very different in sound, mixing, playing and song structure which makes Phoenix so special. A signature sound, new direction and as far as this stuff about it not being "hard", listen to the musicianship. Hard, schmard...It's great music paired with a great CD package and married with a wonderful tour. After 25 years, I would expect a different sound and it certainly exceeded any of my expectations not having left my iPod or CD car changer since its release. As John said, lots of goodies and he was certainly right about that.

JK

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It is a different sound, a more mature sound and there are lots of similarities citing Icon, which I think we would expect with the lion share of songs being John and Geoff's handy work. But I hear a lot of the individuals in respective parts and songs that invariably bring to mind 3, UK (some of Geoff's solos sounding very Drama era and Oberheim sounding), JW solo (especially some Caught in the Crossfire moments) and Steve sounding verrrry Yes-ish on several passages. It's all good and it meshes so well which is why these four guys have that chemistry that is unmatched.

I think the three albums mentioned are all very different in sound, mixing, playing and song structure which makes Phoenix so special. A signature sound, new direction and as far as this stuff about it not being "hard", listen to the musicianship. Hard, schmard...It's great music paired with a great CD package and married with a wonderful tour. After 25 years, I would expect a different sound and it certainly exceeded any of my expectations not having left my iPod or CD car changer since its release. As John said, lots of goodies and he was certainly right about that.

JK

P.S. Happy Earth Day!!!!!


Well said!  Phoenix represents a natural progression and certainly communicates the life experiences of the past 25 years.  I wouldn't want "Sole Survivor 2" which I'm sure the band could have recorded if they wanted to.  The songs are beautifully crafted and the entire album flows well.  Plus, since the band is not being hindered by the record company expectations, they were allowed to expand on their prog-rock roots with the 3-part epic songs.  Something Geffen didn't want on the earlier discs. 

Phoenix gets better with each listen and certainly is at par with both Asia and Alpha IMO.  A nice progression.  I hope they continue to move forward with new recordings in the years to come...

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