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Matter of perception I guess...please don't take it personally, we're just talking here after all, right? Agree about Anthony, not at all about Hagar. The guy has not had a career since the early 70's for being mediocre and at 60+, I find most of his peers unable to compare vocally. He is an acquired taste to be sure and they are not super by any means because they haven't even released their CD yet. Unlike many of the more recent supergroups (Velvet Revolver = ugh, Audioslave = good), I am not holding my breath. I like the new single enough to give them a look as I love Satch and Chad Smith as well. Anthony is along for the ride as Hagar's lackey but what can you do. he's got some wicked new hairplugs which should be a hoot when he gets all lathered up on stage.

I understand your point on Cream but just because people are voted to be the best rarely means that they are and my point being, Clapton was the only one having the success I was alluding to. As far as Asia, all four were well established before upon forming and while I think the moniker may have been used deridely early on, people still talk about them as the defining supergroup of their day, no different than Cream was in the 60's so all in good company I suppose.

No, nothing taken personally here . No worries on that score. I agree with you JK and yes it is an interesting discussion. Let's just say both Cream and ASIA were/are supergroups. As it happens I quite like Sammy Hagar (but more for his way-back-when days with Montrose and early solo career). I actually like Velvet Revolver more than Guns 'n' Roses - certainly if the last record by each is anything to go by (and I'm reading Slash's autobiography).

My suggestions for a modern-day supergroup were merely hypothetical. All four names are good at what they do. Whether such a teaming would work or not? Probably not. I love REM. IMHO they are one of the finest, most original, and most American of US bands since The Doors.

To finish with Cream (and I know I am in good company here with no less than Johan himself), I have found myself drawn to bands led by powerful bassist/singer/composers. There is something about that particular combination that often bears great fruit. Wetton, Bruce, McCartney and others have that commonality. They make a virtue out of that situation. Each more often than not plays other instruments as well and are in the key commanding position by - leading the artistic direction of the band (perhaps with others) via compositional skills; being the face/voice of the band by being lead singer; and driving the sound of the band with propulsive, interesting basswork.

Each of those mentioned are formidable solo artists too. In the case of Bruce (but this could be equally applied elsewhere) he writes (usually with Pete Brown); sings; plays bass guitar and double bass, harmonica, cello, keyboards, guitar, and has even been known to add the odd drum fill too! You will immediately respond that this aplies to McCartney and Wetton as well, and I would abslutely agree.

Perhaps this is why my favourite bands include Cream, Asia, Rush, UK, Wishbone Ash and Pink Floyd?

In the case of Jack Bruce though - along with John Entwistle - he virtually rewrote the book on bassplaying in the 60s. So even if you ignore all his other remarkable talents, for that one attribute alone he was super in his own right, and if you listen to any Cream stuff - especially the live albums - he was up there sparring/duelling with Clapton. Not many bassists can give God a run for their money but if you don't believe me listen to either of the live versions of Crossroads or I'm So Glad ...
 

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Kaveman: I think you better hurry up and invent your 4 wheel car or truck,cause some of us can't wait forever !!!!!!!!!

Perhaps one that looks like mine !!!!!

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Chiceknfoot sin't even Sammy's first supergroup


anyone remember HSAS


there have been a few supergroups very well worth listening too

just a few


ASIA
Travelling Wilburys
Honeydrippers
Pwer Station


now granted some of these are one-offs

but many of tehm produced some very good music

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Funny I adored Duran Duran but Powerstation never did much for me.

I'd add Bad English, Damn Yankees, and The Firm to the great supergroup list. IMO anyway.

I never knew being called a supergroup was considered derogatory in some circles. That is news to me.
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The Firm I should have included

yeah I like Duran Duran

But Robert Palmer's vocals added to the Taylors added a lot


and of course the various All-Starr Bands Ringto has put together

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The Firm was great,but Paul Rogers as singer in Queen I didn't care for.

Speaking of Queen I hear they have offered Adam to come sing with them.
Umm does that mean Queen and Kiss to tour together,seeing they offered Adam a deal as well.

Goes to prove the winners of Idol don't get big offers like Adam has gotten.
And I don't care if he kisses boys or girls,he ROCKS!!!!!!!


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Who's that guy, Paul? He must be good.


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Roger -- he's the runner up on American Idol. I was far less impressed than Paul.

And I have not heard quite the same information regarding Adam being offered deals with either band -- especially Kiss. But I have argued about this guy enough on another forum and don't want to do it here.

I just have to add that people on that forum have insisted that he will be an "international superstar" -- and that people from all over the WORLD are clamoring to hear this guy. The fact that a man from Spain has no idea who he IS gives me hope.

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Mike Stone engineered both Kiss and Queen,would he give una bola peluda? I don't think so.
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I never knew being called a supergroup was considered derogatory in some circles. That is news to me.

You'd be surprised. When it was ASIA, the critics used it as an insult, yet these same "critics" couldn't compose themselves when it was used for The Travelling Wilburys 6 years later. Anyway, I've had to nice of a weekend to get worked-up over music critics....long live ASIA.

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There is only one "supergroup" that holds my interest, and it includes our Board Lord.


^^^^ This is exactly how I feel too, Goddess 

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I am "supered" out to say the least...As I said, I am here because of JW and Asia, a group that I love more today than I did when they arrived if that is possible.

Got my hot hands on Chickenfoot's new one about a week before its release....It's OK but Satch and Smith are very good and Sammy sounds great so it is what it is. I live in NJ where Sammy is strangely, very popular. I love the old Montrose stuff as well. JW is also very popular in NJ, rightly so.

Adam Lambert was offered Queen...Reportedly, he has turned it down. Good move I say...Kiss plans on soldiering on, basically its Gene and Paul with two new lackeys. Same fire hydrant, different dog I suppose.

Entwistle and Bruce are my two bass favs growing up. I just happen to love Wetton and McCartney better. Something about great guitarists (I think JW is a master acoustic player IMO) that make for the best bass players, go figure.
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I just happen to love Wetton and McCartney better

Even though Macca is amazing I don't always think of him as a bassist because he could do so many other things well, but listening to those early Fab Four records reminds me of how good he is. It probably speaks volumes that Sir George Martin gave Johan a lot of work back in the day. Methinks George knows a thing or two about bassists.

Another bassist who often gets overlooked from that era and is sadly no longer with us was Dee Murray of Elton John's band. Very melodic player, and a great back-up singer.

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